{"id":2449,"date":"2014-10-07T15:25:00","date_gmt":"2014-10-07T22:25:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/toucan\/?p=2449"},"modified":"2024-01-08T15:28:07","modified_gmt":"2024-01-08T23:28:07","slug":"maggies-world-022-comics-careers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/toucan\/maggies-world-022-comics-careers\/","title":{"rendered":"Maggie\u2019s World 022: Comics Careers"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-group alignfull cc-post-subheader is-layout-flow wp-block-group-is-layout-flow\" style=\"padding-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-right:0;padding-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-left:0\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns are-vertically-aligned-center is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-ac92f820 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\" style=\"padding-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-right:0;padding-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-left:0\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center cc-post-subheader__content has-global-padding is-content-justification-right is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-column-is-layout-cd9a8c13 wp-block-column-is-layout-constrained\" style=\"padding-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);padding-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40)\">\n<p class=\"cc-post-subheader__overline is-style-overline has-brand-secondary-color has-text-color\" style=\"text-transform:uppercase\"><span class=\"has-wide-text\"><span class=\"has-wide-text\">MAGGIE&#8217;S WORLD BY MAGGIE THOMPSON<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading cc-post-subheader__title\" style=\"margin-top:var(--wp--preset--spacing--10);margin-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--40);margin-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default)\">Maggie\u2019s World 022: Comics Careers<\/h1>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-post-author-name\">Maggie Thompson<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-vertically-aligned-center cc-post-subheader__image-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\"><figure class=\"cc-post-subheader__featured-image wp-block-post-featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1568\" height=\"1007\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/toucanreading.png\" class=\"attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image\" alt=\"HD Toucan reading a comic\" style=\"object-fit:cover;\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/toucanreading.png 1568w, https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/toucanreading-300x193.png 300w, https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/toucanreading-1024x658.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/toucanreading-768x493.png 768w, https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/toucanreading-1536x986.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1568px) 100vw, 1568px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-076b8e0d wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column has-global-padding is-content-justification-left is-layout-constrained wp-container-core-column-is-layout-aad566d4 wp-block-column-is-layout-constrained\" style=\"flex-basis:75%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignleft size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/maggie141.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2411\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/maggie141.png 360w, https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/maggie141-270x300.png 270w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>A recent University of Wisconsin workshop focused on the business of comics, and I was able to attend, as host James Danky introduced and interviewed Milton Griepp and Denis Kitchen. They began by noting their beginnings in the field: Milton as a dealer at comics conventions and Denis making and selling his own comics. Milton focused primarily on making clear the economics of today\u2019s world of comic-book marketing; Denis addressed the challenges of finding a career in the field of comic-book creation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I came away from the information-packed session with one challenge topmost in my thoughts: How does anyone get work in comics these days? Attendees had seemed primarily to consist of young creators considering whether to find a career in the field, and Denis had urged them to find a way to publish their own material, tailoring it to appeal to the people they knew. He spoke of his initial approach: creating cartoons that had appealed to his friends and fellow students at the University of Wisconsin\u2014Milwaukee and then selling collections of those cartoons in comic-book form.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He hadn\u2019t been alone in taking this route. Don and I first saw Gilbert Shelton\u2019s&nbsp;<em>Wonder Wart-Hog<\/em>&nbsp;when it ran in The University of Texas\u2019&nbsp;<em>The Texas Ranger<\/em>&nbsp;in the early 1960s. And such paths to professionalism continue. Dan Vebber\u2019s&nbsp;<em>Adventure<\/em>&nbsp;ran in the early 1990s in&nbsp;<em>The Onion<\/em>&nbsp;in Madison (whence we picked it up for&nbsp;<em>Comics Buyer\u2019s Guide<\/em>, bringing it to a national audience long before he wrote a couple of my favorite episodes of&nbsp;<em>Buffy<\/em>, even before he went on to&nbsp;<em>Futurama<\/em>, yadda, yadda).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So it was that Denis\u2019 challenge resonated with me. As I had waited for the event to begin in the UW building, I\u2019d noticed a poster for a UW poetry collection: not my thing. In fact, I confess that you\u2019d have to pay me to read a college poetry anthology these days. On the other hand, a comics anthology? I\u2019d grab it. So, I bet, would other Madisonians.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Understand that I\u2019m not knocking poetry\u2014just indicating an aspect of the potential commercial impact of the two art forms today.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignright size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"290\" height=\"600\" src=\"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/maggie221.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/maggie221.jpeg 290w, https:\/\/www.comic-con.org\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2024\/01\/maggie221-145x300.jpeg 145w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 290px) 100vw, 290px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Denis Kitchen<br>Photo by Maggie Thompson<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Would the attendees be interested in participating in a comics anthology? Denis urged them to consider it. If the contributions were limited to, say, six pages per participant, it\u2019s something that could be produced during captured moments in a busy academic schedule. (One of the attendees had filled a notebook page with spirals in the course of this single event. Somewhere in my attic languishes a \u201cGreen Turtle\u201d comic-book story I composed in a notebook during a semester\u2019s&nbsp;<em>English Comic Masters<\/em>&nbsp;seminar in 1964. College is all about multi-tasking. Just saying. Hey, how many underground comix masters&nbsp;<em>did<\/em>&nbsp;begin their careers by doodling during one or another class?)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If these young creators were to put together such a publication, each could establish and retain his or her individual copyright. (That\u2019s something with which the meeting did not deal, by the way\u2014and it has occasionally caused disputes. If I write the words and provide thumbnails and rough character design, and you use those basics for your art, who owns what? It\u2019s a question that could\u2014and should\u2014be established from the start.) An anthology could form a focus for those interested in the art form in a work-to-learn environment. No university credit\u2014except, maybe, for the person putting it together\u2014because who cares? But, if academic life is publish or perish, here\u2019s a publication that could lead to careers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It wouldn\u2019t be the first time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Come to think of it, Don and I published the earliest issues of&nbsp;<em>Comic Art<\/em>&nbsp;while I was still attending Oberlin College. And at least the first one was published using the Oberlin mimeograph set aside for student publishing. It was the start of a career that didn\u2019t turn a profit for the next couple of decades but that eventually paid off beyond our dreams.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The challenge is for those who hope to enter the field of comics creation (and for those who hope to help them do it): Do you have buddies who share your interest? Or are you on your own? And where are you in the course of preparations for a career? (Not that you have to give up creative hopes, if you\u2019re long out of secondary education. Don and I prepared for two decades for an industry job that didn\u2019t exist till we were hired to do it. And the field is evolving even more swiftly today.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Help out at a convention or a comics shop. Form a comics club. (We did it in the 1960s. It\u2019d be even easier these days.) Entry-level jobs were the focus of some questions. If you want to work in the industry for an existing company, consider moving to a city in which that company has an office. Is your biggest yearning to be a creator? Are there studios that are hiring interns or assistants? Can you network with people already in the field?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Consider taking advantage of the evolution of pop culture. The combination of words and pictures can be tackled in any of a number of ways. I\u2019m not sure how Matthew Inman would have brought him an income in earlier decades, but Wiki estimates his&nbsp;<em>The Oatmeal<\/em>&nbsp;site brought him about $500,000 (from merchandising and advertising) in 2012. By 2014, he\u2019d added a calendar and books to his output. Allie Brosch\u2019s art, which few might have appreciated last century, adds powerful impact to her text in her&nbsp;<em>Hyperbole and a Half<\/em>&nbsp;site (and its book spinoff). If you\u2019re uncomfortable with a pen, brush, or stylus? These days, you could make your own fumetti, what with digital cameras and electronic typesetting, combining set-up photos with balloons and captions the way Harvey Kurtzman did in&nbsp;<em>Help!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And consider your eventual goals as well as current job opportunities. Peter David began with a hobby as a fanzine writer and publisher, went to work for Marvel in its promotions department, and ended up becoming a fan-favorite pro. Paul Levitz began with a hobby as a fan reporter and publisher, went to work for DC, and \u2026 you get the idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do you plan to start? What do you hope to do?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Maggie&#8217;s World by Maggie Thompson appears the first Tuesday of every month here on&nbsp;<\/em>Toucan!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column cc-post-single__meta is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:25%\">\n<p class=\"cc-post-single__author-label is-style-small\">Written by<\/p>\n\n\n<div style=\"margin-top:0;margin-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);\" class=\"cc-post-single__author-value wp-block-post-author-name has-20-font-size has-obviously-font-family\">Maggie Thompson<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"cc-post-single__published-label is-style-small\">Published<\/p>\n\n\n<div style=\"padding-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);padding-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-top:0;margin-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);\" class=\"cc-post-single__published-value wp-block-post-date has-20-font-size has-obviously-font-family\"><time datetime=\"2014-10-07T15:25:00-07:00\">October 7, 2014<\/time><\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"cc-post-single__updated-label is-style-small\">Updated<\/p>\n\n\n<div style=\"margin-top:0;margin-right:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-bottom:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);margin-left:var(--wp--preset--spacing--default);\" class=\"wp-block-post-date__modified-date cc-post-single__updated-value wp-block-post-date has-20-font-size has-obviously-font-family\"><time datetime=\"2024-01-08T15:28:07-08:00\">January 8, 2024<\/time><\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>MAGGIE&#8217;S WORLD BY MAGGIE THOMPSON Maggie\u2019s World 022: Comics Careers A recent University of Wisconsin workshop focused on the business of comics, and I was able to attend, as host James Danky introduced and interviewed Milton Griepp and Denis Kitchen. 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